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I am 176 cm tall with long legs and arms.

@@roadlesstraveledtruckee Thanks, another question. since I'm undecided between the M and L size. measurement of the horse person I have 80 cm and arms 75 cm. What do you recommend based on your size? thank you

The distance from fingertip to fingertip when my arms are spread wide is 183 cm which means I have longer arms than normal. This usually means that I would need a smaller bike than my height dictates. However, I am very happy with the Large YT. For comparison, the Large YT is almost the exact same size as the Medium Canyon (or even slightly smaller in terms of reach). YT is very good about answering questions so I would suggest calling them, but I would not get hung up on the label they put on the sizes and instead go with their recommendation (by calling or that listed on their site). I think it is accurate.

I have not done much research on the Trek Rail but have always liked their bikes. They have a great dealer network and I think bought out many of the local shops so that is an advantage because these bikes do demand a lot of mechanical attention. Otherwise the specs look similar though I’ve not done a full side by side. For me, the smaller battery would be a big disadvantage since I live and ride in the mountains and the 720 is about as low as I’d want to go with 900 being ideal for my longer rides. Other area’s or riders have no problem with a smaller battery. I’d say, if your OK with battery size, then choose the bike that will gets you the most excited and if you have a Trek Dealer/shop near you that you know will support you and you prefer to have them do the work, then go with Trek. I do most of my own work and have good shops that work on both my YT and Canyon so I’m OK with these bikes.

@@roadlesstraveledtruckee Thanks for the advice, I appreciate it! My budget is $3500 to $4000, so I'd have to get the Core 1 or Core 2 if I were to get a YT Decoy. That's why I'm leaning toward the Trek Rail 7 since I can get it for $3300 new and I feel like that's a steal.

That’s a great price. You love the bike I’m sure!

Oh Lin’s have been VERY impressive, especially with aggressive riding. That fork does everything well - better than the similar Fox, and I love the feel of the spring on this bike., The Rockshox suspension we have is not the higher spec but since they are very similarly built, I would expect them to feel like the Fox. The Ohlins have taken a different approach with the three air chambers, and though some feel it is harsh in little stuff I notice the exact opposite, especially in small fast braking bumps. I’ve used the settings YT recommended and they seem spot on for me.

1500 miles to failure. Probably about 700 miles is when it should have been replaced.

I think you have hit on the main differences. The 900 Whr battery in the Canyon is necessary for 3 hours + of actual ride time here in Tahoe. However, I rarely go out that long. When I do, I take the Canyon. The brakes and the Suspension on the YT are superior, and I do love that rear spring. The YT has caused me a bit of grief chasing the rattles and squeaks though I think that is now solved, but the canyons implementation of battery charging is problematic - the magnetic cover is fragile over time - vs YT which has a dedicated port. Though decision - they are both excellent bikes and you can’t go wrong with either.

@roadlesstraveledtruckee I'm about 230-240 geared up so the bigger the battery the better for me. But I do like the geo of the YT better, and especially the brakes. What kind of climbing time do you get out of your 720WH?

I feel no major difference in bike handling from the geometry and you can address the brakes by putting a 220 rotor in front. My last ride with the YT was 20 miles, 2500 ft of climbing, 2 hr ride time, all on Boost and ran it almost to empty. I’m 150 lbs but do ride aggressively probably like most people with these bikes.

Great idea. I didn't think about lubricating the grommets, they are hard to get to push into the frame. I did, however, do the same thing as you and zip tied them to the cables. Thanks for the idea!

My 2023 Canyon Spectral On does not have an integrated handlebar/headset so I don’t have a good answer for you.

@@roadlesstraveledtruckee I see. I have a 2023 as well, CFR though, so I guess that is the difference.

Both are great and have different advantages. I’ll post something on that soon.

Yes, it is for bears. Hopefully it scares them before I see them but I’ve encounter two in 6 months, both already running the other direction. I’m told I need to silence these during videos but I’m conflicted because 1) I’ve tuned it out so I forget it’s going, 2) I want to set a good example. Thoughts?

@@roadlesstraveledtruckee Safety must be your number one concern when you ride in the beautiful location you reside in, I think the bells are a good idea, you never want to roll up and startle a bear, that might not end well, especially if there are cubs around, i enjoy your channel ! 🤠

Thank you Jim!

Yes, noise gone, should have made that clear.

I’m 5-9, but…. I have an ape index of 3” and long arms actually mean a lower RAD measurement (less reach sort of). All very confusing and sometimes contradictory advice out there but bottom line for me is that I’m happy with the size I have in both bikes. Medium Canyon and Large YT. The two bikes sizes are equivalent in my opinion.

@@roadlesstraveledtruckee thanks for the info, I’m 5-8 and thinking of getting the Canyon in size medium, hope that will feel right for me, they recommend a small

I still have it, friends/family and I ride both. I’ll be posting a few videos on the bike shortly. Was that your question?

@@roadlesstraveledtruckee I just picked up the spectral CFR. Should arrive on Tuesday, and am hoping it’s killer. I’m a little concerned about the ep801, but the 900 wh battery is key for the climbing around here

Excellent choice! 900 Whr battery is a must for longer rides and climbs especially with the 801 which has more power. You will love that motor and that bike.

@@roadlesstraveledtruckee oh man that’s awesome to hear. I can’t wait to get it out on the trails. Thanks for your videos, they helped seal the deal on the Canyon.

@@adamgriffin7055’love your videos (commenting on YT) really convinced me to buy a canyon.’ 🤣

Sure. Might be a few days.

Yea, I’ve had that comment before and I know what you mean. Yesterday I scared my second bear down the trail. They hear me before I see them. It reminds me why I have the bell, and I honestly tune it out now - though I can’t tune out the slightest rattle of a bike part. The bell has the added advantage of alerting runners and other trail users too so, in retrospect, I would recommend one for anyone riding on a popular multi-use trail system. Thanks for “listening/watching…”

Great to know. My first one had 1000 miles and was only replaced because of a connector problem, second one has about 500 and going strong. Glad to know it’s solid!

Lots of positives about the YT including the way the battery connects to the motor and the way the charger connects to the charging port. For the price, the YT comes well equipped as well. I have the core 4 and the suspension and brakes are superior to the Canyon CF8. The CF8 was $1000 less when I bought it but the better suspension and better brakes alone make the YT a better choice I think.

@@roadlesstraveledtruckee That's great, thank you. If I can sell my Canyon I think I will get the core 3 👍

sure thing dummy

Hey, you know it - they make the best sandwich of any place I know! Hey, have you ridden Martis Peak area? Awesome trails which will probably only get better with Donkey Town closing down for forest maintenance for 3 years.

@@roadlesstraveledtruckee No but I will try it out thanks man. I just had a knee replacement a few months ago and am feeling great. Just got my Northstar pass so super excited.🤘🔥

Interesting. I am very happy with the current one. The EP801 motor is a great improvement over the EP8 for climbing. I’ll show this in my next video.

Really? When are they saying it'll drop?

Wonderful feedback, thank you. You make doing these worthwhile!

Awesome, I’m looking forward to spending lots of time on this bike this summer.

Well I have a Yamaha. The gentleman that made the video has already stated he was not fond of the low engaging hub. Even with an onyx hub, which has instantaneous engagement, the best you can hope for is 52 poe with the Yamaha. With the Shimano motor and a Onyx Hub you will have true instantaneous engagement. I've had my Yamaha motor Replaced in less than 1 year, 2 buddy's with Brose motors had their motors replaced, none of my buds with shimano have needed to warranty their motors. As far as I know, Brose and shimano are the only full power motors currently produced that still offer instantaneous engagement. I am not a fan of the motors that have less than instantaneous engagement.

I think it's luck of the draw, like getting anything off the shelf, there are some goods and some bads. We've got 16 Yamahas in our group and not one motor replacement in the group, we have multiple😅 specialized group and they've all had nothing but Motor problems. I think it's all luck.

Oh, interesting. Haven’t noticed that yet. Now I’ll pay attention. Thanks, I think…

I just checked and it’s the same as my Canyon so probably why I didn’t notice. That and I’d probably go over the bars if I tried turning as sharp as you… thanks for checking out the video.

The purpose is to prevent the fork from hitting the bike and also pulling our the cables.

Hey guys, yes the Knock block is shitty. Made it feel like a DH bike w a dual crown fork.. I have an XL (normally ride a L) and I removed the headset, good bye. I replaced it with a works components 1 deg angle set.. I made it 1 degree slacker then put the bike in the high position for more clearance and a perfect 64 deg HA.. Plenty of clearance and no more limitations... I think it would work on a Large as well..

Thanks, and 100’s of miles of Mtb trails off the doorstep. Wasn’t really something I knew about when we moved here so can’t believe our luck!

I do like the bike, yes. I plan to publish more videos about it, one in the next couple days but bottom line is I think it is probably the best you can get in that price range. I do like the fox suspension, especially the 38 forks, and the free shift function would be awesome so I think the Core 5 will be great. Let me know how you like it if you get it. I don’t think you will be disappointed. My only complaint so far, and this will be the case with all the Decoy’s, is getting the cables to stop rattling in the frame has been a challenge. I’m sure I will eventually get it but at the moment, when the trail starts getting rough, the cables are clearly rattling in the frame.

Thanks for the comment. Both of those items deserve more discussion so I think I’ll add my 2 cents in future videos. I’m conflicted on sizing but do like how this bike feels. The battery would have been a non starter at anything less than the 720 as you say.

Interesting, Ill check it out. Glad you love the bike though!

Both good choices.

Yes, quality is important.

@@roadlesstraveledtruckee I think quality is THE thing. Been riding Santa Cruzes for years. Even years of riding with one, zero problems. if they can'T fix quality issues, it's pretty soon bye bye. People do watch these videos and very often choose their purchase based on them. nowdays bad bike is bad for business.

Torque looks like a great bike too. I’m in Truckee. I don’t ride Northstar except to get to other trails since I live very close in Truckee. I’ve not taken the eMtb over to flume trial yet. Still working my way that direction with all the trail exploring I’ve been doing - there is just so much great riding. Some great trail right across 267 from Northstar - unsanctioned but well built.

@@roadlesstraveledtruckee Right on man keep up the good work

Nice! I’m looking at getting a YT Decoy too. I live over at the north end of Dollar Creek Trail where it ends at Fulton Crescent Drive. I hope I see you out, I’d like to see that bike before I buy one.

Have friends over the next several days but I am out riding most days if your in the Truckee area later next week/weekend.

I think I am starting to hear that now that I’ve quieted everything else. 90% less rattling now but something remains, and only when not peddling - unlike before. That’s probably it, thanks!

I agree - love the yellow Ohlins highlights!

Or they are taking the benefit of scale and passing it down to you. I’d rather not pay another extra 1000 for geo that doesn’t need changed

@@carterschichtel9678 You can get a Canyon for the same price with much more modern geo and Bosch motor instead of Shimano, which are a huge plus!

No, I’m more stupid than that. I don’t think I even checked what the name of the color was. I think I like the “Liquid Metal” color more now though. The cool color name is just a bonus…

@@roadlesstraveledtruckee 🤪 makes sense. Either color is good though.